The PapaZoe Show
The Papazoe Show is where Miami culture, real stories, and powerful conversations collide. Hosted by city icon Papazoe alongside his day-one co-host Walk Da Walk—a brotherhood built long before the spotlight—the show brings raw authenticity, wisdom, and unfiltered energy straight from the heart of South Florida. With roots stretching from Haiti to Miami, Papazoe’s journey through the streets, the music industry, and mentorship circles gives the show a perspective you can’t fake. From guiding rising stars to building relationships with major names, his experience sets the tone for conversations that go deeper than surface-level talk. Together, Papazoe and Walk Da Walk create a space where real voices are heard. From local artists and entrepreneurs to celebrities, politicians, and influencers, every episode taps into the culture, the grind, and the truth behind the headlines. Directed by Adrian Ferg, with production by HiiighCriteria Productions and Cordero Media, The Papazoe Show is quickly becoming one of Miami’s most impactful platforms—giving the city, and the world, something real to connect to. Powered by brands like Sovereign, Belaire, Bumbu, and SMARC Cigars, this isn’t just a podcast—it’s a movement, a network, and a voice for the culture. Tap in. Stay locked. This is The Papazoe Show.
The PapaZoe Show
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Hey hei, peace and let's get the big money style. Get me on the part of those shows. We open.
SPEAKER_04Yo, what up, what up, what up, what up? You already know it is, Master Man, man. Papa Zo and the Papa Zoe show with McCo host.
SPEAKER_02Walk the walk, baby. Walk the walk is in the building. Zoe. Yeah. Well, that is in the cup, man.
unknownWhat?
SPEAKER_04Boy. Well, that's the one and the only boy. Mommy Dad Cotty. Sonny is in the building. What's happening? Sonny.
SPEAKER_09He's in the building. What's happening? Hey, man. I just, first of all, I want to just say, man, I think I kind of made it because I made it to the Papa Zoe show. Right, right. You know, because I did this is exclusive. And so all I want to say is, welcome to the Papa Zoe Show. We open.
SPEAKER_04We open. Hey, man. Hey, man. You know, you're gonna have to pop this real quick, man. So we're gonna we're gonna sip it up a little bit. We're gonna sip it up.
SPEAKER_07All right, all right. Alright, all right, all right. Let me bump, let me bump it. Let me bump it. Let me bump and walk the phone.
SPEAKER_04Success and elevation and all that good stuff. Let's go walk. Success elevation, all that good stuff. Yes, sir. Success, elevation, man. Success and elevation. We're all federality over here. No, except for one. Except for one. Nice. Nice, right? Like that mix, right? Nice, nice. No, no. No, me and walk the walk.
SPEAKER_08I'm sorry. You get mad. You better go and get fat boy to bottle it up, then.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, how many told him? How many told him? How many told him? Yo, hey. My first question to you, man. So now, how did you come up with that name? Sonny. And why?
SPEAKER_09Well, Sonny is my father's name. Okay, okay. So they they they call me Lil Sonny. Okay. But but the name Rush, that's a name that that that I could I can tell you how I came up with that. Okay, okay. Right. So I I used to, um, I'm from the village. Okay. Okay. And and and before I start anything, man, the first thing that I want to say, like, I I give praise, I give honor to God. Most definitely. First and forever, right? And and I'm open to answer any questions, but I I just want to make this perfectly clear, right? Like, I don't glorify nothing that I did in the street. Because the moment that I glorify, I started smiling and glorifying it, then I think about my daughter that passed when I was in prison. I couldn't go to a funeral. Right? So, so anytime I in the context, I talk about this stuff, but I'm I'm never proud of who I was, but I'm extremely blessed for the person that I am. Right.
SPEAKER_02Well said.
SPEAKER_09And once again, man, thank you all for having me. So the name Rush. Right. Right. So I used to work for this Guyana dude. You know, he used to own Cocos. Right? I'm a dog. I already know about red man.
SPEAKER_04Red Dread. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, so so, you know, when most people finish school, you know, they they go to college or they get them a little job. And then I tried the little job thing at Burger King, it didn't work. They fired me. So the next job I had was for the GT Bunner.
SPEAKER_11Okay.
SPEAKER_09And so he found a liking into me because like I grew up, me and my brother, we grew up seeing my mom and them selling drugs and using drugs. So at four or five years old, we we knew about the drug game.
SPEAKER_11You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_09Right? So by the time I got finished school around 17 or 18, I got my second job from him, right? Okay. And so he he figured out that my my hustling IQ was off the chain. Even higher than his, right? So he said, no, I got I gotta get this boy off the streets. You know, I gotta make him more than a lieutenant. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Right. So, man, he uh he took me out of the village. So I'm out of the village. So at that age, man, we don't we don't really travel outside of our our neighborhood when we're young like that.
SPEAKER_11Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_09You know what I mean? If if we went from the village to Broward, that was like a field trip. We might pack lunch and all that stuff. Or even in Carol City.
SPEAKER_11Yeah.
SPEAKER_09Carol City was like the suburbs to us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back then, that's what it was. Back then, that's what it was. We were jealous of people in Carol City. Yeah, that was in the yard.
SPEAKER_00I'm going to my uncle house. I'm going to my uncle house.
SPEAKER_09We jump in the cow like Barritz and go out there, right? So anyway, he took me to one of his houses. Right? Yeah. And I act like I was high. Smoking. So he showed me some family we ain't never seen before. Some cars I ain't never seen. 4D mirrors, and he showed me, he showed me a gold piece that was about a quarter million dollars in the 80s. Right? So, man, when he showed me that, something went on boom. I said, Oh, that's what I want. That's what it, that's what the game is about. You get your money down there and you have your family up here. And he had three or four houses, right? So, anyway, to fast forward, he took me to a stationary store with him, where he bought his double stamps, he bought his tape, he bought his bags, he bought all this. And so something had me go over to the little thing where the stamps was, and I'm thumbing through there, not knowing why. And I picked up this this stamp and it said rush. And I said, Man, one day, one day when I be on my own and be my own boss, I'm gonna use this rush stamp because I want people to rush and get my shit. And so I hold that stamp, I hold that stamp maybe for like five years. And when I when I had got a chance to get on my own, I looked for that stamp and I brought it out. And that was that was the birth of rolling with rush, we open.
SPEAKER_04Okay, okay, okay, okay. Well you you from the village. Did you ever work uh you ever worked for Ike, Big Ike?
SPEAKER_09Ooh, did I? So I I came up in that in that era of drug hustlers. A lot of us work for Ike. I work for Ike, O'Dilly worked for Ike. I mean, um, I work for Ike, Burt worked for Ike, Musclehead worked for Ike, Coop Trick worked for Ike, Causey worked for Ike. All of us kind of work. All of us kind of work the same shift, right? And so while I ran the Dobel Bomb in the nighttime, I worked for Ike. In the nighttime, that's when shit got crazy. So when you come on the shift, first thing they're gonna do is give you a quarter or half. You get there, you snore. That's the first thing you get when you come on the shift. So I worked the I worked the night shift across 10th Avenue. Bro, on the night shift, bro, we had them guns and all us was geeked up, and we we handed the customers rough. Get against the wall, get against the wall. And and I'm and I'm gonna tell you what kind of changed me. So I so my mom was on drugs, so I didn't really like cocaine like that. But since I was around the Ike Boys and they did it, I snorted with them at night.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_09So I remember after a crazy night of working with the Ike Boys, and and I go home and I and I wanted to tell my brother, sweet man, what went on. It was wild. I wanted to tell him what went on, right?
SPEAKER_04That's your sweet, your older brother or younger brother?
SPEAKER_09I'm he my younger brother, okay. But we, that's my real brother, mother and father. Father, yeah, yeah, yeah. I nigga look like twins. Right, yeah. So, so he's two years younger than me. Right, right. So I come home late night and I wake him up out of sleep, and he, oh, get away from me. Oh, mama, tell me, get away from me. So he was scared, bruh. Because I guess I was looking mad, I guess I would, you know, I guess I would look crazy and I ain't know it, right? You know, and from that day how I scared my brother that I who I love, when I used to go on the shift, I would turn my back. And I would and then I would act like, you know, I would act like no, you know, I would act like them boy, you know, you know what I mean. You know what I mean? I could, bro, I could, I couldn't that way. And that I'm glad my brother probably saved my life, man. But it was wild, bruh. But this man had, but Ike had traffic like like damn near like Walmart. Back then it was Wend Dixie. Man, this man, bruh, this man changed. You talking about traffic. You talking about we open? We open. Yeah, man. Yeah. And I'd never seen Ike. Like a lot of us, I didn't see, I wasn't a party guy, so I ain't go to the party. Yeah. I had to run the doorbell while they were partying. I was running a dope bell. So I never actually seen him. Yeah, you know, and so some of us that were working around there, they be like, he had a cousin or somebody that looked like him, he'll come up in a white barisk uh um calip that they go Ike right there. We be looking. That one be him.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, he'll even be there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04What that club was? Uh heart of heart of heart of Miami. The heart of the city. Heart of the city. Well, heart of the city, yeah, yeah. Heart of the city, yeah. Yeah, man. I remember when they when they I remember when they uh when they put that together, they when they put that, man. I'm one of them Haitians that was outside outside, man. How outside you were? But hey, listen, I'm gonna tell you how side I was. Nigga, I used to, I used, your spot on 6'1, on no 63, I used to come over there. You used to come over there? Come on, man. I used to come over there. You used to come to the drugstore. I used to pull up over there with my goddamn Suzuki G. You know what I'm saying? Red with the black rag, with the phone in it, that the phone with the hand, the phone was like like this, like you holding it in your hand, like it ain't no real phone. Yeah. And I used to just pull up, cuz my dog used to, you know, blocking the rest of peace, you know what I'm saying? And that, you know what I'm saying? All y'all were together, so I used to pull up, you know what I'm saying, and the vibe over there, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I used to see, I used to see our boys, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But I was a Carolina boy, so I you know what I'm saying. But I used to see our boys. You get in there, bringing you back and you would get way more money than them.
SPEAKER_01You know, don't listen to that. Go ahead. I had the edict slide on in with the duffel band and slide out.
SPEAKER_04Why? But yeah, man, but uh man, it's it's it's really good, man, that just to have you on the show, man, feel me? And just, you know what I'm saying, the politics. Yeah. And then and then and bring back, you know, just bring back memories. Yeah. Good or bad, yeah, is memories. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Like I always like I like I always said, I I always say this. You know, that being in the street, I've never been ashamed of that. I've never been ashamed. If somebody asked me right now today, what you what have what you regret that you you did, you regret in life you did. I never said being in the I regret being in the street. I I won't say that. You feel what I'm saying? I won't ston't like I won't say I regret going to the feed, I won't say that.
SPEAKER_07Me neither.
SPEAKER_04You feel what I'm saying? Yes. But like I always said, the only thing that I regret in life, I never, I did it, and because the reason why is I I dropped out of college. And I hurt my, you know, that broke my mom's heart. You know, that's the only thing that I regret. That if I could undo that, I could undo it. But other than them other stuff, yeah. Listen, that shit made me who I am today.
SPEAKER_09No, no, that was it. That was absolutely the life, and and things were different. You know, things is things are so different from now. And I I re I kind of read, well, I I would let you ask the questions because I don't want to just I I'll I'll ride. Ride, ride! You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04Ride, talk, talk, yeah.
SPEAKER_09So things were like back in the old Miami, you know what I mean? Shout out to the old Miami 305 to the bus out.
SPEAKER_04To the bus out.
SPEAKER_09You know what I mean? And that old Miami, man, like different a Papa Zoe can come on the alb. Yeah. And ain't nobody looking at him crazy. I don't care how much jury you might have on, uh you might get in the crap game, you might have 50,000. Anybody can come on the alb. You can come chill, and this and that, and everything cool. And and if if we was to ever find out that anybody did anything to anybody around our spot, we'd be like, who did it? They'd be so-and-so get it. Go get it. Bring it back. Bring it back. So we didn't, we didn't, we didn't, we didn't play that.
SPEAKER_02Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_09You know, we we back in the the the back in the old days, we like to have our verse, we like to ride with our girl. We like to be on the wheel over there. We like to be in the little Suzuki. Boy, what's up? What up, the grip, the grip, boy. We like to we like to do that, right? Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And then when we sing your Suzuki, man, we ain't want to take your Suzuki. We like, damn, Paula Suzuki, boy, wait, boy, I gotta get me one of them. I'ma take mine the perfect, I'm gonna take a kind of feet up, I'm gonna put all the different kind of boom and pull up on that boy. Boy, what's up? You know what I mean? But it changed. Yeah. When when all of them old, them old hustlers started fading away or something. No, they locked all us up. See, we started getting record businesses, we started opening up beauty parlors, we started opening up car washes, we started buying, we started buying real estate, you know what I mean? And the powers didn't be, they didn't like that because we weren't killing each other. You know, we was a Miami boy, but we weren't killing each other, right? So so you would notice they took Musclehead, they took Bert, they took Hyde, they took Carly, they took Sonny and Sweet, they took Murph, they took, they wiped all the old school dudes, wiped us out in the course of a couple of years. And guess who came after that? And and it ain't no shame on them because they had their time. Yeah, yeah. A violent generation is raised up after that. Right? It's get down, lay down, McKear. You know what? You done you done got you enough money from up here. Don't let me see you up here no more. Go right around the corner in five minutes. Then I told you, don't let me see you. Get against the wall. Paka, paka, packa, packa. Bruh, that would that would have never happened in the old Miami. Yeah. I don't care how much work O'Dilly had in the old Miami, he never would come and put down in your spot. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04When the 80s, man. 87, 88, 89, that was, yeah. I remember.
SPEAKER_09Yeah. And and Papa Zoe, I'll say something about the Zoes too now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? In the old Miami, bruh, you ain't need to have no plug, man. If you had you a nine-piece original, bruh, you got a vert, you got a cadillac, you got a girl, you got jewelry, you got a car, you got clothes with a with a good four ounces, a little four, a little four piece. You know what I mean? You ain't had to have all that in the old Miami. You met Brown, bruh. In the old Miami, you met Brown and had you a little nine piece. Not beat, you good, not beat chicken nuggets.
SPEAKER_08But you a boss. You good. You a boss, not beach chicken nuggets. Try to be chicken nuggets. You a boss.
SPEAKER_05You're a boss. You tell the people what I said.
SPEAKER_09Big boss, boy.
SPEAKER_04And it would, and it was and it was love, man. You know what I mean? It was. Shit is different now, man. She's crazy, but yeah. You know, that's uh, you know what I'm saying? You look at you look at life, the way, the way life going, the the changes that's going on in this world. Yeah. You you you either you either you don't I I'm not gonna say either adapt, because I don't I I don't adapt to it. Right. I'm not gonna adapt to it. I just that's why I stay out the way. Right, right. Understand what I'm saying? Because it ain't, it ain't, I'm I can't adapt to it, man. I because it's different.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's extremely different. Definitely. I mean, and it and from from from where Sunny starts talking about, and it all it did, it just got you don't want to say worse, but it did. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_09Tell it like it is. Well, well, I would say it changed, but the reason why we can't do it, so when you when you round 21, 22, 23, no, you have an energy. Yeah. You have an energy, different energy. You noticed you noticed when you was round, when it was round that time, everything was going good for you that you did. You know what I mean? Because you had you had that young energy, you had that vibe, you know what I mean? And you start coming up. And then once you get in your 25, 26, it kind of changes a little bit. And when you get, see, I went in when I was 30. Yeah. That was kind of like at the end of all that stuff. Right, right. All that stuff, you know, that you go open up in six months, is this and that, all of that stuff was dwindling down around 30. But when you at the 21, 22, 23, you wallin'. And and you got an open gate to be what you wanted. Yeah, well. And you're gonna pay the consequences though.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_09But it was sweet in the 80s, man.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it was. It was, boy. Golly, man. Damn, boy. I'm going back right now, man. You got me. That's Zuki Jeep, boy. I had me so many girls. Oh my wife, baby. We're married, I'm married now. I'm happy to marry, but boy. Shit, boy.
SPEAKER_09The watch out man had a girl, he had an apartment, he had a car, he had a dead, and that was his job. You know, that's where he wanted to retire at.
SPEAKER_04Man, boy, look at him. I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, you know, I ain't I ain't I ain't, you know, like people, like people who know me, man, who know, know me, that they know I went, I didn't do, I I didn't do nothing here. You know what I'm saying? I ain't do nothing. Uh I go do my thing and come and splurge. Yeah, yeah, and come and splurge. That's it. I do my thing and come, you know what I'm saying? Then when I fucked around and messed around and and when got that big bronco, I got that big bronco too now, like, like, like, like, like block, recipe block. It was purple, and my had that candy, uh, and a candy cherry red. Yeah. That everyone paint. I used to put I used to love to put it and pull up over there. Yeah, what's up? What's up?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah, my brother gave block that that truck. Yeah, yeah, man.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, that was that that was that was yeah, with the Mickey Thompson. I got my I got my I got my I got the idea to get my truck as a block shit. Yeah, yeah. I wanna copy that Mickey Tumbo, you boy. You don't get that Mickey Thompson, you ain't got nothing more. Yeah, I wanna get a Mickey Thompson. What is my nigga go? What is my gig go to go to my mouth? What them go with my mama, boy. What them gonna love them gold with them things, six on the top, four in the bottom. What's up, what give them the days, man. Boy, look at him, man. Boy, I swear, boy. This but you know, like as you get as the older, the older, as you get older, man, you just get more mature, you just get more that's just what's happening to us now. Yeah, yeah. Feel me? We just we're looking at, you know, like like I said, I don't got nothing against nobody, what they do, how they get down. That's right. Get down. That's right.
SPEAKER_02You shouldn't. But you shouldn't. You feel me though? But um go ahead. Go ahead and finish.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, no, no. What's what's the craziest experience you ever had in that era?
SPEAKER_09Well, well, the craziest experience, like as I told you, like, like, like what that would happen with my brother, but like man, I I I remember, man, just you know, my my thing, my thing, Papa's though, I I I me and my brother, my family, we were homeless before. And so while people was, you know, they were marveling about the money that I made, right? My my my trigger was, man, if bro, if I couldn't pay my bills, it took me back into being homeless, man. And so while like a lot of people, man, they glorified it. They were riding in the club. They was in every club. They had every car and everything. Man, I was just grinding, man, making sure that I could take care of my family, man.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_09You know what I mean? And the craziest thing, man, is to see how things changed.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_09You know what I mean? That's one of the craziest things. And there's a lot of craziest things happening the feds, but we're not going to answer the question. But that that that that's that's the that's one of the craziest things, man. You know, to kind of see, like, like I say, a lot of us work for Ike, and a lot of us in that crew came up, but a lot of us didn't make it, man.
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_09You know, a lot of them boys got locked up waiting. A lot of them boys been in 30 and 40 years and all this stuff.
SPEAKER_04It's Cosby out. What's going on with you?
SPEAKER_09No, no, Cosby, he's out. Yeah, he's been out for a while. He out. Cosby got, I think he got a um an air conditioned um uh company or something like that. But he's been out. I'm telling people, uh, there are a lot of us out. We we we choir a lot of the a lot of us that went in that didn't have violence. Somebody told me, somebody the other day told me big run out. Big run out. Somebody told me to live big run out. I ain't gonna know that. Yeah, because he, you know, he like, he, he, he like the only reason why people see us because we gotta teach.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_09You know, if we ain't have to teach, they wouldn't see us. They'd be like, where walk the walk at? Oh, oh, he out, dog, he been out three years now. Yeah, I ain't seen him. Yeah, you know, that's how they be asking out of the be asking, where your brother at? Where sweet at? Where I said, man, he working right now. Or he out there feeding the homeless, or he in the school, mentoring somebody. Yeah, man. Them a lot of them boys out, man, but a lot of them in, man. Greg, too, his brother Greg out because of Greg. Greg, Greg died. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, Greg died. You know what I mean? It's like a lot of them boys don't make it. Like I was in there with Bunky Brown, he died, and there. Yeah, I was in there with Bear. Bear done been in there like almost 50 years. Yeah. I was Selly's with Bo Dilly, man, you know. So I ironically, man, the the people that I looked up to, man, I was in, I was in jail with um Papa.
SPEAKER_02Um what the question is, you offered your whole life for to go for you you offered your life in prison for your family. Tell us what really happened with that decision.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, man, so like for me, man, like I'm just like, one thing about me, I'm real, man. Like, if I was a fan in prison, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you. Like, like if I'm a rat, bruh, I'ma tell you, man. If if stuff hurt me, bro, I'ma tell you, man, that's the type of dude I am. And and and and I tell you, man, and this this is this, like, this is kind of this is the realest shit, man. You probably gonna hear, man. Right. So I I remember, man, the feds started coming down on me, man, and man, they subpoenaed my mama and subpoenaed it or every place I bought cars from. They subpoenaed everywhere I went to try to shop to pick it up record. They subpoenaed people. And so once I got locked up, you know, man, I was weak. Because the the my lawyer, he giving me information, he telling me, hey man, when your children's mother come up here to go to court, when she comes up here to go to court, they gonna lock her up when she came up here to go to court. So my case was in Brunswick, Georgia. So I'm bruh, like I'm I'm in there, man, I'm fucked up. I'm weak. So they So your shit was out of Brunswick. Out of Brunswick, right? So they they they bruh, they they took me and my brother. Yeah, they took me and my brother to court, bruh. All the they blocking traffic, they police sirens and all this, taking us through the back. I'm like, man, we we were getting money, popping, though, man. But we were, bruh, we wasn't on no type of level with an Ike or a Gaudi or nobody. But you should have, you should have seen how they were treating us. They they got the peep, the jury, they guarding them at the hotel room door, 24-7 security and all this type of foolishness, bruh. You know what I mean? So they so my mom bought one of my baby mamas up there. We in court. So they like detain her. So when they say detain her, they rush me out to court, rush me back. So I'm I'm I'm looking for her to be on the other side with the women and all that. So I'm like, damn, man. I say, you know, and I know some dudes real, like some dudes like fuck my mama, my mama got the gold, my baby mama got the gold, everybody go, you got some dudes, they so hard like that, right? I don't care. They're this and that. I ain't that type of dude. Right, yeah, right. So once they lock my girl up, and then they talk about locking my mama up, then they have my other girl on uh on some type of standby case. I take the stand, they gonna lock her up because they know she's lying. So I I came to the conclusion, man. I say, man, I called my mama one morning. I'm weak. I'm like, mama, they done locked Samantha up. And they they say they coming to get you. And and like, I'm a real motherfucker, right? So in my mind, I'm like, damn boy.
SPEAKER_04I got a decision to make. I'm gonna tell you something. What you say right now, some of that same similar shit happened to me. Them folks wanted to grab my dad because my dad came and gave me a cashier check from Haiti for 35 band. I bought my condo back then. And on Connelline Road, Mr. Lake, yeah. I bought my condo cash with that with that 35 band. Shit was cheap back then. I had nice, and then them cracker told me, we know your dad were part of this shit with money laundering and blah blah blah. If you don't sign this house, you don't do this, you don't do that, we're gonna go get them.
SPEAKER_09Yeah. And they work on you like if it's six months, they pound you every day. That cracker dirty, dog. So in my mind, because like I'm like, bro, you got some dudes that told in prison, if you say something about them, they gonna kill you. Right? So I call my mom, I'm weak, I'm like, mom. And they already locked Samantha up. They talking about getting Corinthia, they talking about getting you. And she told me, she said, man, let me tell you something. You're not finna sell your soul to the devil. Don't call me with that no more. If they lock me up, they lock me up. If they lock Corinthia up, if they lock Samantha up, damn it. I'm tired of you trying to save everybody. She said, You not Jesus. Jesus came to save the world. You say yourself right now, don't worry about nobody else, and you let me know whoever don't agree with your decision. And so I was like, I was still weak, but I was like, okay, okay, mama. You know what I mean? And then it came to a point, and I like my case is different than every dude that's locked up in Florida, man. And I haven't found a way to talk about it. Because I don't, you know, you know, they wanted me to bring down a good man. A good, uh, one-eyed pioneers. Dirty eye crackers. You know what I mean? And like, I don't speak on it right now, but I'm gonna speak on it one day.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_09So I ain't go to jail for drugs, bro. I went to jail because of the because they wanted me to tell on another man, a good man. Right? And so, and he know, he know, you probably know too, right? So I told my brother, I said, man, look here, man. Well, first I told the lawyer. I say, man, look here. They wanted to offer me from 17 to 27 years with full cooperation. That was their first offer. I said, man, I tell you what, man. You tell them if they leave my family alone, leave my brother alone, and leave everybody alone, that I was sign for a life sentence and I would never put nothing back in court again.
SPEAKER_01What the fuck?
SPEAKER_09And I got, and my lawyer that was my lawyer, he still lives in out of Brunswick, Georgia. So they say the Bible talking about talk about a man that'll lay down his life for his friend. People say that. But I don't, I don't know if somebody have ever laid down their life for their friend.
SPEAKER_11A life, a life sentence?
SPEAKER_09And I told them like I would never, and I got a family, like I got children.
SPEAKER_11Right, right, right, right.
SPEAKER_09You know what I mean? But uh, yeah, I said I uh and they told they told me if you don't cooperate, we're gonna give you a life sentence.
SPEAKER_04Then they they rejected that's it, so you took that goddamn, so you so you took the life. You said fuck it, give me life.
SPEAKER_09No, we went to trial. Oh, you took it to trial? And and I got 35 years, and my brother got 35 years. So we took it to trial. We lost in the trial in the jury trial. Jury trial.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_09And bruh, you should have been to my trial. Bruh, this trial was so, bruh, it was so, I don't know if it was, you know, they say them Masons have things that they do in court, but bruh, like I was sitting in the courtroom and they was talking about so much money, right? And you you know in the flea market that they got that picture that you could buy look like a million dollar picture in the flea market that they had that you have on the wall. So they had that. They say, this is his money right here. And they was talking about so much money to like I kind of like faded out like I was on a jury. I faded out, right? So I'm sitting on the jury, I'm like, these niggas guilty. They guilty shit. They need to, they need to get their ass life, you know, and then I then I kind of like fade back in and zero back in. I'm like, damn, they talking all this shit about us. It was bruh, it was magical.
SPEAKER_02Wow, wow.
SPEAKER_09Wow. It was crazy, bruh. And one of my baby mama was facing tender life on the side of me. They acquitted her. You know, and me and my brother got 35 years, and I remember in sentencing man. Like, the feds give you your time in months.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_09So they gave my Cody Finn his time and they gave my brother 420 months, and they pushed, sent him out the courtroom. And so my lawyer tell me, he said, Um, you know what they're about to do to you? I'm like, what? He said, Well, they ain't have much evidence on your brother. And they gave him 35 years. He said, You know they're finna take your life. You know they about to take your life. He said, But man, I'm gonna fight like hell for you. That they don't take your life, man. That that that that white man named Kevin Gough, he fought for me, and instead of getting a life sentence, they gave me the same 35 years like they gave my brother. But I told him, man, go out go on home and take care of the family, man. I I died here, man. Go on home and take care of the family, man.
SPEAKER_10So before I gotta I gotta ask you this here.
SPEAKER_04So how your clemency, your how how did that go about? How did that go about though?
SPEAKER_09So I don't I don't know if y'all know about the great works I do on the streets with love corner, my spiritual work, you know. But I was doing the same thing in prison. Okay. So me and me and a homie named Eric Parker. Okay. Me and Eric Parker, we filled out our clemen, uh, our clemency paperwork. I did his and I did mine, and we took it to the Secretary office. And like a week after that, Obama came out with uh Obama or clemency, whatever, some type of program Obama came out with. So me and Wayne said, hey man, let's go get our clemency back from the counselor, man, and do our thing on the computer. So me and Wayne, we did our thing on the computer. Which way? You know, Wayne Parker. Wayne Parker, which is away out of Carol City.
SPEAKER_11Yeah.
SPEAKER_09So so we we did our we did our clemency thing on the computer. And so once you get to a certain point, they take your stuff in front of this committee, you take it in front of this committee, they take it in front of this committee, and if you keep passing those committees, you get closer to the president signing it.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_09Right? And so, ma'am, I remember my I got the last clemency that Barack Obama signed. Right. And so I remember people were saying, man, the clemency coming out. Is a Muslim dude pulled to get it out of D house? Is a Muslim? So I so I had a dream. Say, man, you're gonna get the clemency. And then something in the dream say, man, don't get too happy, man, in case you don't get it. You don't crash down. Right, right, right, right. So clemencies come out on Friday, then they come out every two weeks. Right? So when my name wasn't on the list, I seen one dude that got the clemency. I said, bruh, I'm glad you got your clemency. You was in my way. Right? But I'm praying, man. I'm I'm a minister in prison right now. So I find myself going to the chaplain one day. I lost my daughter in prison. And when I lost my daughter in prison, Papa Papa Zoe, I couldn't believe she was gone.
unknownDamn.
SPEAKER_09And my wife and them, they was going through funerals, they were going through grieving. I said, don't send me no pictures, don't send me nothing. So every Friday when I was supposed to go to the chapel to do Juma, and I was dressed up, sitting under the microphone for them to call for the mood to go to Juma. So you Muslim. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10They was them.
SPEAKER_09I was I was really waiting for them to call me to go see my daughter. And this time that had passed for a whole year. Right? And so just to fast forward, I find myself going in the chaplain one day to get some incense, and it all busted out, right? And I and I talked to God, I said, God, I done did everything you asked me to do, bruh. I can't do no more time in prison, man. I can't do no more, bruh. I told the lady in the child, I say, I can't do no more time in prison, bruh. And she was telling me, it's gonna happen for you, it's gonna happen for you. So that Monday, they were calling me to the chaplain, to the lieutenant office. I'm on the computer typing my daughter. Hey, Brother Sonny, they call you at the chaplain. I'll be like, all right, man, I'm coming, man. They probably want me to go take a colonoscopy. I'm coming, man. I'm in the man, I'm typing, man, them crackers away, man. I've been waiting all my time and typing myself. Man, they keep calling you, man. All right, let me go. I got to go. Let me see what these crackers are, man. Fuck with me, man. So so I walk, walk to the lieutenant office. I'm like, so I walk in there. So the warden facing me is two lady guards behind them. They act like they about to cry. I don't want to pay attention to them. I don't know what's going on. So the warden tells me, he said, man, um, man, I'm finna lock you up, man. And I choke. I said, man, I don't do nothing but save lives on your compound. He said, well, I want to tell you something. He said that the president Barack Obama just signed your clemency paperwork. It never came on a Monday, a Friday, and the Monday, that never happened. It be two weeks for the clemency. And man, I almost bust my knees crying, man. I thank God, bruh. I thank God, man. And me and my wife, we were beefing hard because I told her I was fasting for 10 days, and I ain't called her. Why you ain't calling me? I was fasting for 10 days. Well, I'm fasting for 10 days now. So every time I would call her, she wouldn't answer my phone. The eighth day, she wouldn't answer the phone. So about on that ninth day I called her, she like, what you want? I say, baby, it's over. She said, What's over? She still pissed at me. I said, Barack Obama Sandy Clemens, I'm coming home.
SPEAKER_08And so let me close, let me close that up. I had made, I had made a promise.
SPEAKER_09I had made a promise to God in prison. I say, God, if you let me out of prison, then I'll go back in my community that I helped to destroy and I serve it every day for the rest of my life.
SPEAKER_11I love that.
SPEAKER_09So the only thing that I fear is going back on my promise to God. And I've done some stuff in our community. No D-Boy have done it. Period. That's what's up.
SPEAKER_04What's up? Can you elaborate on some of that stuff you've done?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, so so first of all, I don't know. Look up the Hunger Nine. The Hunger Nine is nine men.
SPEAKER_04You mean that over there on 62nd?
SPEAKER_09That 62nd Street, we went on a 21 and a half day hunger strike across from the pork and bean project to bring awareness of gun violence. You were part of that. Yes, I'm one of them. And to ask our people to stop killing one another. Right? And so during the Hunger Nine, we did a interview on CR. Channel 7 was out there too. I see. Yeah, I remember that. From all over the country, chaplains, rabbis, everybody who was somebody was coming down bowing down to the kings, bruh. Yeah, I remember that. And I did a I did a we did a thing with uh with LR. Three years ago? No, that was in 19. That we did that in 2019.
SPEAKER_11Okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_09So when we did the interview with LRM, I said, man, I wish I could get President Barack Obama a letter, man, to let him know how I'm doing in this community and because he gave me the clemency, right? And a white lady came to that site. She said, Where's Albert Campbell? They say he's over there. He said he wanted to get a letter to Barack Obama to tell him the good works he was doing. I could make that happen. Wow. So I sat down, she wrote the letter, she took the letter, she left. About two weeks, she sent me a picture with President Barack Obama. Holding the letter. Secretary, holding up. She said, That's the envelope, it's about to go to Barack Obama. That's the secretary, and that's the envelope that you signed. So a few minutes later, a few weeks later, after the Hunger Nine, she came to the job where I was working at. She brought a return letter from Barack Obama, and he was he was um glad that I that I was doing good. That's what's up.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_11That's what's up. That's one of the best interviews, boy.
SPEAKER_02Hands down. This is one of the best interviews. Yeah, that's serious. Hands down. Yeah. This is one of the best interviews, boy. From a from a a pioneer, a uh a soldier, a captain, a leader, an influencer, a motor. I mean, the list goes on and the titles that you could give this guy here, man. Real talk. And not knocking nobody that's been on the show. Not knocking nobody that been on the show. You know what I'm saying? But that's the illustration, the definition of a man accepting his responsibility, accepting being held accountable, holding himself accountable for his action, and making a change with his action. By his action. He ain't just talking it. I mean, this is this is this is why I I wanted me to do this thing. Because this ain't this ain't for entertainment.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_02This is for what he said. And first thing he I peep when he said, he said, we out here because we the teachers. Yeah. What you got? What's the sense of having a microphone for if you talking ain't nobody listening?
SPEAKER_10Shit. Damn.
SPEAKER_09That man said a mouthful, man. Shit. Let me tell you one another thing I did. So it was two ladies came to the Hunger Nine spot, two white girls, and they came right to me. They kneeling down to me. They was daughters from the people that got killed in Parkland. You remember that Parkland that's not in the Parkland shooting? So God blessed me to work with them to bring them together with our community and let them know that gun violence anywhere is a call to action everywhere. And so they even had me go out and talk to all they they people, like hundreds of white people. I'm in front of them, telling them about what's going on in our community, rallying them up, and made them love our community, man. Like I know, like, I know who I am. See, it's one thing to know who you are. I know the Spirit of God is upon me. I'm the one that you send into the jail. I go into county jail. We go into county jails. And we asked them where's the Worst place that's going on in the county jail. Because we go mentoring the county jail. That's where y'all going. And they tell me, well, it's a man in the back. He's all the way in the back back there. We hardly go see him. He throw urine on us. He's an animal and you ain't gonna be able to reach him. I say, well, you let me decide whether I'm gonna reach him, where my brother at. And I'm because I'm built, I'm built for that. This is why God got me. I'm built. So I go back there with my brother and I ask my brother permission with honor. Brother, can I speak with you, brother? I'm not a police, I'm not a chapel, man. I just come here to love you, brother. How you doing, man? Oh, right, right. Yeah, but it's just okay, man. It's okay. If you don't want to talk to me right now, I come back, but I'm gonna keep on coming back till you talk to me. And I have he sit down and he talk to me, he cry and he'll pray, you know. But if they treat him like an animal, then he acts like a beast. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_10But love, bruh.
SPEAKER_09Like, like, and I want to tell you, this is man stuff.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_09A man is a man that invites another man to his platform. And give a man, and then a man tell a man, you the type of man that should be on our platform. A man is a man that feels another man when he comes in his area. A man is a man that has the proper zosho to bring a man like me on here to let a man know what a man looks like. Man. This is man stuff. Man stuff.
SPEAKER_11Shit. Man.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I'll say you gotta scratch my head right now. I can't even. I don't know. I don't know where to go from here.
SPEAKER_06I don't know where to go from. I'm stuck. You don't get it.
SPEAKER_04I'm gonna get to let me let me flip back, man. Let me flip back for a little bit, man. Sugar Hill rolling with Rush. DJs. Yes, sir. Who is Rush? What's your real contribution to the Miami, the Miami side, the Miami music?
SPEAKER_09Who is Rush? So, first of all, Rush was the name of my pharmaceutical drug stores that I had throughout Liberty City. Right. Originally. Right? And so when I was young, you know, me and my brother and then we had a DJ set. And some guys stole our DJ set and broke our hearts. So I said, one day if I ever get some money, I'm gonna get the biggest DJ set in Miami. So when I started getting money, I bought a DJ set. But the dudes that were DJing with me, they were too old to DJ. They ain't wanna do it no more. But I had fulfilled the dream of mine, right? Then I seen this, I seen this bad DJ that he made me feel like I used to feel when they used to call me the house rocker Money Sonny. And my favorite DJ was Dap D or the ghetto DJs. Ghetto style DJs, right? So when I seen that Uncle Al, Rap, Rap, Rap, Rock it, Sugar Hill, Rap, Rap, Rap, Rock it, Sugar, and then when Uncle Al jam, it's like a spring break. It's like everybody come from everywhere. Yep. But he had that old raggly equipment. So I said, I know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna bless Uncle Al with the equipment. And when I gave Uncle Al the whole setup, he started calling his DJ system Sugar Hill Rolling Rush DJs. Oh wow. So, so, and I never, I never said nothing. So people never knew who Rush was. They never knew who Rush was, because I never said nothing. And we would go out there on Gwen Cherry Park, and we had, you know, we had, and we would tell the person, we got 24 speakers out here today. Come out here with 24. Next year, next week we're gonna double it up. And since we had the spot right around the corner from Perfect Paint Shop, so we were the first ones that started getting, we not the first cars that perfect ever painted because the paint shop was right there.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_09But because the paint shop was right across the street, we start taking our deltas and our verts there. And when we would take them back at that time on Gwen Cherry Park.
SPEAKER_04Wait, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Hold on, hold on.
SPEAKER_09Wait a minute. Over the by perfect, right?
SPEAKER_04What the fuck was that?
SPEAKER_09On 73rd Street. On 73rd, perfect. By jumbos. So jumbos on 73rd. 73rd.
SPEAKER_04You over there by the back then by the red and white project. Back then the project. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna make sure that do everything. I'm gonna make sure that the everything.
SPEAKER_09So we used to tell them, dude, anybody busts this Delta and this vert out here right now, we're gonna give you $5,000. And if you come out here with 24 cabinets right now, next week, double it up, we're gonna have 48 and somebody tried it. So I bought bought Uncle Al another 24 speakers. So he had 48, 48 brand new black speakers, two consoles, and he will rock, rock, rock it rock. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_09Yeah. Yeah. DJ Nasty, he gives Uncle Al his props. He said he studied Uncle Al tape. You know, yeah. So yeah, that's how now I got I brought Rollin' with Rush back.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_09Right? So rolling with Rush have acronyms. The R mean redeemed. Because I was in a place where God brought me from, He redeemed me. Right? In that place it was meant to break me. The U mean unbroken because the feds, me crying, me suffering, me losing my daughter, I was unbreakable. And the S is for God sent me back with a testimony. And the H is for my testimony is gonna give people hope that if God could do it for me, if God could take me, I was a leader in the devil army. I wasn't a worker, I was that I was a leader in the devil army. And if God could do it for me, that He could do it for you. And that's what Rush means now. It's a positive thing, is a movement now. And rolling with Rush, we open.
SPEAKER_04Boy, look at him, boy. Ooh, I I I was your I was a trans, I was how did you trans? I was your transition to coming home.
SPEAKER_09So, and I thank you for that question, man. Um so man, I thank God for the Circle Brotherhood. The Circle Brotherhood is black men that's dedicated to solving our own community problems. And so I got out first when I first got out, because like I'm a Miami boy. Right. A Miami boy don't be asking for nobody to hand the body to get it to be and here. Not a Miami boy. Right, exactly. So I never expected nobody to do nothing for me, because I was always I was always the doer. So the first week I got out, I got me a job at um at U-Haul part-time. That wasn't enough because I got a wife. When you came to my house, when I came to my house, I could tell that, you know, a man present needs to be there. So I worked part-time at U-Haul. I left there and worked full-time washing dishes at Red Lobster. When I had days off, I drove Uber Eat. Hustling, right? Then I finally got a job at Nana with Circle Brotherhood. And let me tell you how my transition went. I'm happy because they gave me a chance to grow. So I would, I remember in prison, I would have these dreams, and you've been there too. I know you're gonna relate to this. Man, I used to have these dreams. Bruh, I'm in my house. Man, I can feel the cold tile on my floor. Man, I can smell the sweet nectar of my woman. I could, you know, I could, I'm in a groove. I could, I could hear, oh my God. I'm there.
SPEAKER_07Oh my God. Oh man. I'm there, bruh. You live.
SPEAKER_09Hey, bruh. I can taste it, bruh. Yeah, yeah. Right? Right. And then I wake up, I open my eyes. You fucking right. You and then, nah, then I got the I got to travel back now. But my eyes open, I got the travel back. And then I look. Then it's the four walls. Yeah. Yeah. Damn, that was a dream. And so I would be on my job, sitting on the bench, and I'll be looking at the children and the dogs and the mosquitoes biting me. And I be like, then I wonder, am I really out? Or is this one of those dreams? Wow. So I'm, you know, I hit the mosquito and look at. But I'm like, ah, nah, man, it done got me like this before. And so when I see a guy walk up, I'll go hug him, I'll be energetic. What's up, bruh? What's good, man? You alright? Hey, man, how you doing, man? I be hugging on, he hugged me back. He's like, yeah, man, boy, what's up? I give damp, like, yeah, boy. You know, he have a conversation with me. And what I'm really doing, man, it's real. Figging it out, man. Damn, it's not a dream, man. It's not a dream, huh? And that that happened, that happened for me, happened for me a while, man. And I don't ever, bro, I don't ever want to put myself back in a position, man, to not know what's real from what's a dream. That's a dream.
SPEAKER_04Damn.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Well. When when when everything was, I mean, I know it definitely was overwhelming, but when everything came and was just piling on you from incarceration, family, you got to take on everything that was coming your way. What what mental, spiritual, what, what, what strength? How that strength, how you was able to pull that strength, how God, how that, how that portal was opened for you was able to pull that strength to be able to endure all it is that you going that you went through.
SPEAKER_08Thanks for that question. You say we were gonna be sipping. You say we were gonna be sipping.
SPEAKER_01Hold on, let me give you. Let me give you nice things. You feel it nice. I know you're feeling nice.
SPEAKER_09We open. So I I believe your your question was, you know, what was your question again?
SPEAKER_02With with the with when everything came down on you, of the overwhelming of incarceration and being threatened, your family be getting threatened, and and then you just I know you you you was weak, you know what I'm saying? Don't know how I'm gonna get out of this here. Like, where did that strength come from? How did you able to pull that strength? Like, what what like what kept you like? I ain't giving up, I'm not laying down. Like, what was that, that, that how that moment was, man? That that got you right here, right now, this today.
SPEAKER_09So, what what people may not know about me, that my grandfather was one of the greatest preachers in Miami. His name was Reverend Ira T. McCall. So I always knew God. I always was spiritual, right? And I remember this this pastor used to come into Brunswick County jail when I when I understood the burden was too heavy for me. And I remember he came in that county jail and he wanted to preach, and he said, I can't preach in here because the devil in here. And he left and he and he looked at me. And that kind of hurt me. I thought he was kind of talking to me, but I think what was to sustain me, man, because like man, I ain't want to be no drug dealer, man. I ain't I ain't want to be seen. People that know me, you have to people have to really know me because you don't know me from the club. I never threw a party. I never, and I had everything them dudes had, and some of them dudes, I used to be hitting them off. But I ain't never want to be a drug dealer, man. I just didn't want my family to be homeless like me and my brother was, man. I I just didn't want to look in my woman's face, man, and see the face that I seen from my mama when we were homeless, man. You know what I mean? And I think, I think because of that, I think, man, God spared me, man. You know, because I understood, man, that I had, I remember when my when my daughter, when I got that call from my mama, and she told me my daughter passed, bruh. And she was talking to me on the phone, she say, She keep your pass last night. And I'm just like, I'm I'm in a daze, right? I'm just looking, right? So she her voices fading out. Her voice is fading out. And then I hear her, say, You hear me? You hear me? And so I say, Okay, I'm gonna call you back. And I and I told God, I say, This is too much for me, man. I said, I got to get this to you. I got I can't, I can't, this is this is too much. And and and and that same night, my daughter passed when she was 23. I had a 23-year-old Sally in my room with another dude named Sid from off the alb. And that 23-year-old Celly, he was drinking that same night. And that night he challenged me. And I was like, come off the bed. Come off the bed. He yapping off the mile, he young, you know this, and I'm like, come on. And so he won't come off the bed. So I said, Man, he's gonna go to sleep. I said, when he goes to sleep, I'm gonna kill him. And when he was in that bed, and I had that knife, and I finna come down on him, God said, You say you were gonna give it to me. And I stood down. That's what Abraham did. Abraham was finna slay his son. God said, Slay your son. And when he was finna do it, God, God hold his hand. Yeah, he did. God said, You say you were gonna give it to me.
SPEAKER_04Let me handle that.
SPEAKER_09Let me handle that. And from that point on, I knew my God was able to take me through anything that this real could possibly throw at me. That's what sustains me every day. I wake up at four o'clock in the morning. I praise my God, man. The only reason why I won't run around the streets and holler about it, because they might baker at me.
SPEAKER_04Man, hey, let me tell you something, man. I just I just I just wanna just want to say something, you know, like it's really a real pleasure having you here because that's that's what it's all about being on the Papazol show. We we listen. It ain't about it ain't about trying to get this, trying to do this, get this number, get that number, trying to do nah man. It's really about listening to your story. This is about you. This ain't about me. This ain't about what the walk. This ain't about my director, my producer over here, high criteria. This is about you, dog. So and then it's that's why you just we relax. When you when you come here, you're gonna feel at home. We're gonna make sure that you feel at home. Anybody that come here.
SPEAKER_07Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04You gonna go, you're gonna leave here, be like, damn. This experience that's gonna be like, damn, because that's just we real with it, man. Yeah. We real with it, you know what I'm saying? We ain't we ain't faking nothing. We ain't, you know what I'm saying? Hey, we just we just we different, bro. Yeah. We different. You know what I'm saying? We different. It just and then listen to your story, listen to you, you know what I'm saying? It's like it's it's it's you you we when when you you share you share with the world. Yeah. Because the world finna see this.
SPEAKER_07Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_04You feel what I'm saying? You share with the world. It ain't about we're not praising being in the street. I'm not praising about being in the street. I was a street dude, and walk the walk, I meant walk the walk in the field. I ain't praising that. You know what I'm saying? Like I like I was telling you earlier. This is the most happiest my life ever been. It's right here. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It's the most happiest. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? Enjoying my grandson with his crazy behind, and you know, my family just walk the walk, come through, eight drink come through, we sit down and smoke and have a drink. Yeah. That's what his life is all about. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? All that, you know, I I don't I don't I don't like my motto is always the more you're in the street, the more trouble you get into.
SPEAKER_11Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Stay your ass at home. I'm a home dude.
SPEAKER_11Stay home.
SPEAKER_04Even though when I was out in that world, I was a home dude. I go ahead and my thing, do my thing, I'm home. Yeah. You feel what I'm saying? Um so man, it's just, it's, it's great having you here, man. Yeah. I see why Walk the Walk say what he said about this right here. Yes, sir. This is a formative, you know, it's deep. You know what I'm saying? It's different.
SPEAKER_07It's different.
SPEAKER_04You know what I'm saying? I I see you got some books over there.
SPEAKER_09What's going on with that, man? So man, Papa Zoe I I brought you. You you should, I whenever I go in somebody's house, I bring them a gift. Right? And I, man, I I have these books, the bookstore, the roots bookstore on 15th Avenue to carry my books. The Chronicles of Big Money Sonny, one and two, right? And what's so emotional for me about it is I get a chance for Roland Rush to be back on 15th Avenue.
SPEAKER_04On a positive note.
SPEAKER_09And not selling poison. Not selling poison. You can't write this up. Like, I mean, I I Papa Zoe, I, you know, I I ain't never big myself up, man, but I remember my brother called me one day. He said, bruh, you better get ready to get some more stuff. I'm like, man, I done gave you all that stuff. He said, Boy, they got a bag right here. Bruh, that's thing that took off of me, and I that same type of stuff. Not on the level with an Ike, but bruh, bruh. People waiting for a $20,000 bomb, waiting for a $30,000 bomb, waiting for a $10,000 for four hours and five hours. Should be gone for the stuff to get until we till we come out there and say, we open, right? And then they come. So now I get a chance, man, to sell again on 15th Avenue, bruh. Like nobody can't, nobody can't tell me about my God. Nobody can't tell me. Nobody can't tell me nothing about my God, man. So I wanna I'm honored and humble to present these books to you and I'm I'm gonna sign them. This is this is this is my gift to you. And bruh, if you don't feel like that you need to read these books all the way through, bring them back. I'll be telling people.
SPEAKER_04Hey, listen, I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm not cut you up. I'm gonna tell you right now. He over there, he's mad right now. He burning up. That nigga love to read books. I'll tell you what, I gotta step forward. Okay, because I'm about to let him burn him back to me because I already know. I said, boy, I'm gonna have to give walk the water read.
SPEAKER_02What are you leaving now? I would say, let me read this, let me read the second chapter. You'll be done with the first. I'm gonna give you the first chapter. Let me read both of them real quick, man. G I will get them up, get on them tonight. I was gonna get on them tonight, man.
SPEAKER_09Well, I got your so let me say that. So like this is a good story and it ends good, but on the press right now, I have for that second book, I have a mentor book. I have a book that's gonna be in schools, it's gonna be in a juvenile system that teaches you not to do what he did, and it have questions, it have critical thinking questions and exercises. So this this third book that's coming out in a week or two, a person can take this book and they can mentor children in their home before they get to be big money.
SPEAKER_04Like that. Wow. Wow. Whew, boy, I tell you. Yeah, man. Yeah, this this we could go on and go on with this shit.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, we yeah, we're gonna have to run this back.
SPEAKER_02The questions I had, he already answered them because Sonny already said his name is not on any paperwork as being no rap.
SPEAKER_09If my name on any paperwork is at the top, it ain't at the bottom.
SPEAKER_04It ain't at the bottom. It ain't no Route 35, 5K10.
SPEAKER_09The bottom is not his tail on the top. Some of these niggas. So it is one more important thing that if you don't mind that 29th. So I have. So he is a landmark. Yeah. Right. People know him. You talk about him, people know him. On 27th. So I have a corner that I go on. I've been going there for almost four years. It's called Love Corner. On 49th Street and 17th Avenue.
SPEAKER_0249th and 17th Avenue.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, okay. So I started off because I do volunteer work at Center of Life Academy. Okay. That's owned by Mr. Chris and Miss Shea Sweetings. It's a private school at 4850 Northwest 17th Avenue.
SPEAKER_11Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_09So I went there, and it's a long story, and I'm gonna make it long. So my idea was to go there and to help him with his children. So I got the traffic going right. The children thought they were ops. I got the children loving each other. I got them to start fighting each other. I got them to start saying good morning because children didn't know how to say good morning. They didn't know how to do these things. So I that's how I started off. When I wasn't attending to the children, I'd be on the corner waving at people when they come down the highway. And I throw the hard sign to people coming down the highway. And I throw the praying hands to people coming down the highway. And then I'd see people that smile like down the highway. Right? So now I've been doing that for four years. Oh bruh. Hundreds and thousands of people come by there every morning and they chill that hey, God bless you, bomb, bomb, bomb, bum, bomb, bomb, bomb. God bless you. People stopping the bus. I just this morning, a little girl, her mama stopped, a little five-year-old girl, she gave me a dollar. You know, as uh people stop by, they on the metro bus, they wave, and and they, I, and I am necessarily needed on that corner right now. So I took, I took, I took the format from the OG instead of boxing, but but my praying hands, my heart signs, my hug and gestures, and all that, and the smile, it's a prayer. So so God says that the words that you speak out of your mouth shall not come back void.
unknownAbsolutely.
SPEAKER_09That's why you should always guard your words. You go there every day? I go every day, five days a week, from 6:30 in the morning to nine o'clock, and I don't get paid for it. I work for God first, and then I give man his work. And I promise you, if you come out there, you'll be like, and like some of the homies will pass by, man. You seen that nigga Sonny out there? Yeah, dog, that nigga done gone crazy out there. I don't understand. Yeah, I talked to Busch, man. Butch say they called him, man, that yeah, man, he done gone crazy, man, this and that. But they said the same thing about Christ. They said he was crazy. When you change your life, you crazy. You crazy, man.
SPEAKER_04You know what? You know what? You know what I want to walk, you know what I want to walk? What's that? I'm gonna call you one day, I'm gonna come out there with you. You got to come. They're gonna call, they're gonna have to call me. You got to come, bring company. They're gonna have to call me crazy. I'm right, 49 is 17. It's 17, 49. They're gonna have to call me crazy. I'm gonna, I'm telling you right now, I'm gonna I'm gonna call you one day, I'm gonna come out there. And that's why I'm gonna come out there. I'm gonna come out there.
SPEAKER_02So hey, don't call, don't go out there without because I'm gonna be I'm gonna meet you, I'm gonna be out there before you now.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So I'm gonna call you.
SPEAKER_09I'm just gonna be left in the end. And you're gonna be the recipient of all those prayers that's out there. But let me y'all ask me what was my contribution to the music in Miami? And I didn't answer that yet. Yeah, go ahead. Tell me what it is.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_09So after me giving Uncle Al the DJ set, Debonair and Drugs from the Poison Clan. Yeah, Debonair. They would be rapping on the mic. Right. And I remember going to the stadium seeing them. I was a fan. And they would always rap on the mic, and then when Uncle Al come to the crib, they'll come to the crib rapping on the mic. So I was like, man, what y'all want to do? So we had got into something, we saw hanging out, and we had did a whole album. Raw. That like they like they gifted, right? We did a whole album. And then Debonil came to me, yo man, yo, man, after that thing, what happened to Luke, man, you know, man, I don't think we want to do nothing. And I said, man, look here, let me tell y'all something, bro. When you come to this crib, you see them two Benzes right there, you see them hydraulic, the car with them hydraulic and the Broncos and Jaguars and all this, all this shit, man, man. I was doing that for y'all. I'm good. You know what I mean? So I tell you what, let's not talk about records no more. Let's just hang out. And then they came up one day, yeah. Okay, man, we want to do it. I bet you do it or you don't want to do it. Exactly. So one day we in the studio, they erased the whole album. Like, nah, man. Nah, we got to do something crazy ill, man. Erased the whole album. I had, but all the tracks I had, but all the studio time I had, but all the mixes I had, boy, all right. Nah, we gonna do something different. And they sat in that corner, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. They up making me, don't, dun, dun, dun. Then they said in the corner, we gonna call the pick it up. Pick it up, pick it up. And that night they made the pick it up record. Pick it up, pick it up. That night they made the pick it up. Pick it up, pick it up. You know what I mean? And that that was all, you know, and the people didn't understand it then, so I was trying to shop, but they couldn't understand it. And then I kind of fell off a little bit, then I eventually let them let them go back and sign the dope with the pick it up record. You know what I mean? Pick it up, pick it up. And so they hit the Miami though. So I was the next thing after Luke before Ted. Because what I did, I closed my two-car garage and I let everybody come make records out of the neighborhood. So I had so Verb from the two light, the new two-like crew, he was signed to me. He ate Kentucky fried chicken and ate in my house. And he found his way over to Luke. I ain't bothered. I ain't say you under contract with me. JT Money, they did two albums in my garage. Who that, who that, who that, who that, who that. That was done in my garage. And Mike Fresh called me about a couple of years ago. He said, Man, Sonny, man, I want to apologize to you, man, because you never charge us for nothing, man. And we never gave you nothing. And we owe you JT money, them. They used to be riding my cars, and I used to have Mr. Mix at my crib. I used to have, bro, I'm the I'm the type of dude. God bless me to open up spots.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_09So I can open up a spot. So now I open up spots with God. And wherever I go, you're gonna feel the presence of God. And I know both of y'all gonna bear witness that since we've been here doing what we're doing, I know you feel the presence of God.
SPEAKER_04Listen, you hear me. Listen, you better believe it. You hear what I you hear what I told you, and I told you, I said, I'm coming down there. That's why I asked you the time. Yeah. I want to come down there with you and just be down there with you, bro. Yeah, man. I would be honored, man. I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to I I I I don't work Monday, boy. I'm off Monday. I'm there. Monday, Tuesday. I ain't got no, I ain't got no gig, boy. They say that boy, I might pull up on the boy.
SPEAKER_09They say it's summertime.
SPEAKER_04They gonna have to say Papa's old crazy too, then goddamn it.
SPEAKER_09They say it's summertime. What are you doing out there? The school, the school closed, it's summertime. My God is not a season God. I don't, I don't, I don't just put my God on like a coat and pull him off. Bruh, like I'm I got me a drink right now, but I'm drinking. I'm I'm still praising my God. Because I do what I do in moderation. Right. Yeah. And we should thank God because where we've been, bruh, it's people that didn't make it out of it. And they were better than us, bruh. They were more careful than us. They ain't run tickets, they ain't run numbers, they ain't do none of that stuff, and a lot of them people didn't make it, man. And then a lot of our brothers that came out, bruh, they ain't made it. So I'm telling you, like me and my brother Big Sweet and Papa Zoe and Walk the Walk, we made it. And I and people been asking me, why you been promoting the boat lately? Why you been promoting Ross lately? Why you out there on Rick Ross wall? Why you doing this? Bruh. From a hustler standpoint, our biggest hustlers used to be Ike and Bodilli. And we didn't hate them, bruh. When we were young and we rolled by Bodilli house and we seen that car and the thing, and we rolled by Ike House, all 20 of Ike houses, bruh, we hate them. When QB took me to his house and I seen all this jewelry and all his money he had, I never thought to rob him. It never was a thought in my mind to backdoor him. And when I think about my brother, that he transitioned, bruh, this, this bruh, bruh, this brother remind me the closest thing that I could think about him is a salty prince that got all them Rolls Royces lined up and feeding and donkeys eating out the trunk of the Porsche and all that stuff. Eating out the Porsche, all that stuff, man. So so so so I talk about a mammy boy, and then I talk about a mammy man.
SPEAKER_11Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Well, I before we close out, I want to know, I need you to tell me what's the difference between a mommy boy and a mommy man before we close out the show.
SPEAKER_09A Miami boy. When I was a boy, when I was a child, I acted like a child, I spoke like a child, but when I became a man, I put away childish things. When I was a boy, I sold dope as a boy. I acted like a boy. I got a second baby mama, I got outside children. I sold poison to our people. The only place that my name was worthy to be spoken was amongst robbers and the police. But when I became a man, I put away childish things with the same energy, convert the same energy to do positive things, it's the same energy. But now I take that energy into the county jail. I take that energy into the juvenile system. I bring that energy to the worldwide Papa Zoe Show.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. Hey, when I was in prison, he came to see me. When I was in the hospital, you came to see me. He's like, when did you do this, Sonny?
SPEAKER_09That's what the Christ said.
SPEAKER_02As much as he does it for the least of us, he did it to all.
SPEAKER_09If you don't do it to the least, man, if I don't go back there in the back and talk to that brother who they say they're an animal, because that's what Christ would have done. If I can't feed you, man, if I can't, if I come, if I can't come bring my God wherever I go, if I can't do it to the least some, man. So a Miami man has transitioned with the same energy to do great things. He don't do boyish stuff no more. That stuff that the boat doing, man, that's I be like, man. That's man stuff.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, that's man stuff.
SPEAKER_09Yeah. Papa Zoe, when you started reaching out to me, I thought you was, I thought you were Rose at first, cause I seen that picture over there.
SPEAKER_05I'm like, boy, look here. My motion I got.
SPEAKER_09But guess what? My motion got to you, Bazo. Yeah, it's all good. And I shall not call you by nothing else, not another Mr. Papa Zoe.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, it's all good.
SPEAKER_09Man, I I I thank you, man. And I thank you for walking walk. I thank your engineer, man. And and and I and I and my brother, my brother Big Sweet, laying in the cut.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he in the cut, man.
SPEAKER_09Man, I man, I just I wanna I wanna shout him out, man, and and tell the world, man, like like when you when you hear Sonny, you sweet, hear sweet, the name goes together. Like when you hear when you heard when you heard Nene and Cathead.
SPEAKER_07You see Nene and Cathead, but you just really talk about one.
SPEAKER_04See Sonny, Sonny and Sweet, yeah, yeah, man. Hey dog, that's my era. Yeah, yeah. Sonny sweet. I used to be over there with fucking with y'all over there all the time. Yeah. That that that corner, boy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02You feel that genuine, you feel a a genuine spirit in here. Come on, man. Yeah. But sincere. You just have to. Come on, man. Yeah. You feel it in here.
SPEAKER_09It's different. And wherever I go, that's what you get.
SPEAKER_04That's what it is. Yo, man, hey. Sonny. Make money, Sonny. We open. We open. Hey, I appreciate you, man, for coming through on the Papa's old show, man. You know, blessing the show. It's all love. All love.